Showing posts with label Tavannes. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Tavannes. Show all posts

Wednesday, 31 August 2016

The English "Half-chronometer"

J.W. Benson "Observatory" watch made by Tavannes and
described  as a "Half-chronometer" as was the English made
Benson "Field" watch and many others.
The English description of a watch as being a "Half-chronometer" is, perhaps, a rather grandiose name for what the Americans termed an "adjusted" watch meaning a watch adjusted for temperature as explained in this Wikipedia entry.

This does not mean that other watches will not cope adequately with changes in temperature but that the "Adjusted" or "Half-chronometer" watch has been rigorously tested at extremes of temperature and adjusted to minimise errors.

Unfortunately most good quality English watches, particularly those by Benson, Rotherham and other good makers in Coventry and London plus most imported from Switzerland before the late 1930s and signed by English resellers are not marked "adjusted" so it is only possible to establish if they are by tracking down contemporary adverts such as the following.


From a J.W. Benson Sales catalogue from the late 1930s.

Saturday, 13 August 2016

J.W. Benson movements in Dennison cases.


Large numbers of Benson cases were made by Benson Bros[i] (no relation) of Liverpool, but carried the J.W. Benson mark and for solid gold and silver the London assay marks.
A witness mark (just to the left of the case screw hole)
showing that the movement does not belong in this case.
Note the Dennison safety bow on the case.
Benson watches from the 1930s with “standard” sized movements by Tavannes are frequently seen on eBay in silver cases by Dennison, most of these are marriages probably using movements that originally had a solid gold case. These frequently have witness marks from other movements visible on the case as illustrated here (I don’t buy these watches except for spares so the example shown is the movement from the watch below placed in a case from a Waltham watch).
Some however do not bear witness marks but could still be marriages with cases originally from Tavannes watches.
A 1933 Tavannes movement for J.W. Benson in
a Dennison silver case hallmarked 1933
Whilst Benson could have used Dennison cases when short of their own, for quite a while I considered that the majority of these Dennison cased watches were marriages but then saw some with provenance covering 40 or 50 years and I began to wonder, whilst I am very sceptical[ii] about family history, a relatively recent history (when the owner was not trying to sell) probably precludes a watch having been recently re-cased.
Having done some research[iii] I found that the Benson Bros business, including the contract with J.W. Benson, was purchased by Dennison in the early 30s, case making was transferred to Handsworth whilst the original Benson Bros operation was turned over to repair work.

This makes more sense of watches from the 1930s occasionally having Dennison hallmarks. The date of the transfer is not known but was certainly complete by 1934. All of those that I have handled without witness marks showing re-casing, are hallmarked 1933 apart from one, the only datable Swiss Benson I have had from from 1934. So probably these watches came during the transfer of the business.
 
The back of the watch shown above.
The Dennison case shown here is confirmation of this as the date of the movement (from the serial number) matches that of the case. Also the case is not typically Dennison of the period as it lacks their normal patented “Safety bow”, as do all of the gold and silver cases in my mid 1930s J.W. Benson sales catalogue.
It is also possible that the case was originally made for Benson but was sent to Birmingham for assay due to a queue at London or it was made for another third party and diverted.


[i] Previously the business founded by of R. Samuel, Benson Bros from c1894 and from 1902 owned by J.B. Eastham.
[ii] Well justified I think having been told several totally implausible histories saying for example that a hallmarked watch from the 1920’s was 19th century and the hallmarks were wrong, a London assay having been stamped with Birmingham date marks, because “it has to be that as it was definitely Great Gt… Grandad's 21st Birthday present” - although not engraved as such .
[iii] Primarily from Priestley “Watch Case Makers of England”, NAWCC Spring 1994.

Thursday, 1 October 2015

Dating Movements by Cyma & Tavannes

I recently had a query on dating these movements so have posted the answer here so I'll not have to do it again.

The serial number on these movements are under the dial as show to the right. My dating is based on a reasonable number of watches, listed below, in hallmarked silver or gold movements. The sample is heavily biased to watches retailed by J.W. Benson, largely because other retailers frequently used Swiss hallmarked silver cases which do not carry a date mark. Benson appear to have switched from Revue to Tavannes in about 1932 the database is only good for the 1930s.

It must be remembered that a movement might not go straight into a case which itself may have been on the shelf for a while so there will be some overlap, also the hallmarking years of the various assay houses are not in line with each other or the with calendar but the difference is small and the date is likely to be accurate to plus or minus a year.  (updated Feb 2017)

Serial Date
      4,322,549 1908
    12,487,883 1919
    14,708,666 1919
    13,079,475 1921
    14,262,246 1924
    15,485,579 1926?
    15,485,952 1926?
    15,939,146 1926
    17,482,498 1929?
    16,624,975 1930?
    17,865,828 1932
    17,886,973 1932
    17,888,724 1932
    17,888,811 1931
    17,889,975 1932
    17,899,152 1931
    17,899,219 1932
    17,889,918 1932
    17,902,501 1932
    17,903,525 1932
    17,903,625 1932
    17,908,930 1932
    17,909,034 1932
    17,909,035 1932
    17,944,833 1933
    17,944,871 1933
    17,966,044 1933
    17,970,131 1933
    18,045,354 1935
    18,045,567 1935
    18,050,727 1935
    18,052,802 1936
    18,055,283 1936
    18,055,497 1936
    18,055,498 1936
    18,055,544 1936
    18,066,750 1935
    18,070,392 1936
    18,076,649 1936
    18,090,883 1936
    18,112,605 1937
    18,112,379 1936
    18,113,219 1937
    18,141,556 1937
    18,146,434 1937
    18,146,664 1938
    18,199,372 1937
    18,240,750 1938
    18,245,978 1938
    18,246,001 1938
    18,252,273 1940 Benson stock?
    18,253,220 1939
    18,256,774 1938
    18,265,158 1938
    18,268,000 1940
    18,276,566 1947?